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Absolute 5

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:53 pm
by jaslan
Lets get the Absolute 5 discussion started.
I will get the ball rolling...
Is there a HALion update imminent? Other than adding some libraries, I can't see anything else major to add to Absolute 4.
What are your hopes, demands, and requests?
For me, Halion is my favorite part of Absolute so I would like to see a nice update.

Re: Absolute 5

Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 1:52 am
by sd1989
im hoping next halion version for fm synthesis module I remember one of the Steinberg guys said it is in the plan but they went for wavetable in halion 6 instead

Re: Absolute 5

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:51 pm
by Manike
I imagine they might add in a stripped down version of Iconica.

They've got those halion packs too like the dulcimer which they'll probably just bundle in.

Re: Absolute 5

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:26 pm
by npavlis
I bet they will incude the Electric Bass Vst into Absolute 5 collection. I am not sure about Iconica because they offer the Syphonic Library which is very decent in my opionion but they may include some of the third-parties plugins. Maybe there are going to include the full Olympic Library Choir.

Re: Absolute 5

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:28 pm
by Manike
It was out by now last year. Might not be releasing an absolute 5 this year.

From a marketing point of view they might add in the wavelab elements and/or spectralayers elements as a complete production suite.

Re: Absolute 5

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:35 am
by David W
Anything posted here is pure speculation.

I don't believe there has ever been an established product cycle for Absolute. Releases seem to come when there is a worthwhile upgrade to sell based on the availability of new or upgraded constituent products, rather than being calendar driven.


HALion has gone a while without a paid upgrade. I would not be surprised if the key new feature of a new Absolute version was HALion 7, perhaps with one or more new synthesis engines (FM?) and at least one instrument using the new engine. If there is a new HALion, I would expect a version bump in HALion Sonic to HALion Sonic 4 with the inclusion of any new instruments from HALion 7 but no other changes.

Most of the new HALion add-ons that have been released in the past year are sold by Steinberg on behalf of a third-party developer (Cinematique Instruments, Sample Fuel, Msixty7 or e-instruments). I doubt any of these add-ons will be included in Absolute, but I may be wrong. I believe Electric Bass is a Steinberg add-on - if so, that might well appear in a future Absolute.


I'm doubtful there will be a new version of Groove Agent in the near future - Groove Agent 5 was an improvement over Groove Agent 4 and was the key new feature of Absolute 4.

Steinberg might include one or more of the existing Groove Agent add-ons in Absolute 5 - if so, I would expect the chosen add-on(s) to come from amongst those with lower retail prices. I would expect the premium add-ons such as Simon Phillips Studio Drums, Simon Phillips Jazz Drums, The Songwriter's, Nashville, Metro Heights and Bouncy Vibrations to stay as separate purchases only and not be included in Absolute.


I doubt The Grand will see any further development - it works as is. There is likely little scope for return on investment on any enhancements considering the marketplace for piano VSTs is saturated.

Absolute 4 got the new Padshop 2 and Olympus Choir Micro library mid cycle (if you own Absolute 4, have any interest in either of these and haven't downloaded them already, all you have to do is upgrade to the latest eLicenser Control Center, run Maintenance, download and install). There is very unlikely to be a Padshop 3 in the near future! It is possible a future version of Absolute will upgrade Olympus Choir to the larger Olympus Choir Elements product, though this may well stay outside Absolute.

If Retrologue is further enhanced then I would expect the upgraded Retrologue to be in a future Absolute. However, as an upgraded version of Retrologue is likely to be included with future versions of Cubase and Nuendo, an upgrade to Retrologue would be a limited incentive to buy or upgrade Absolute if you also own a Steinberg DAW.


I doubt any of the existing Iconica content will be included in Absolute. Currently even the cheapest Iconica product is fairly expensive and the only bundle that includes any Iconica content is Iconica Opus (which is Iconica Sections and Players bundled with Iconica Ensembles). As someone who owns Iconica Opus, I can't think what you can strip out that leaves a viable orchestral library other than removing microphone positions and perhaps some of the round robin samples. These changes would somewhat reduce the realism and sound sculpting possibilities, but not significantly impair the core functionality. Such a stripped down product could devastate sales of the full Iconica products if it was significantly cheaper than the current products or bundled with Absolute. I think the existing Iconica products will stay as they are and stay outside Absolute. Absolute already has basic orchestral functionality courtesy of HALion Symphonic Orchestra.

One possibility for future enhancement of Iconica is solo strings - the current version of Iconica Sections and Players only contains string sections. Solo strings would allow for solo string players accompanied by one or more other players, also string chamber ensembles. It is possible a solo strings enhancement would be sold as part of a new version of Iconica Sections and Players, or as a separate Iconica Solo Strings product. If there is an Iconica Solo Strings product in the future, this could conceivably find its way into Absolute though I somehow doubt it will.


In summary, my guess for Absolute 5 is new versions of HALion and HALion Sonic, also the inclusion of Electric Bass and perhaps one or more of the existing Groove Agent add-ons. Less likely, but possible, is the inclusion of Olympus Choir Elements and/or a new solo strings HALion library.