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kostal wrote:
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Universal Audio’s LUNA is on its way! Looks freaking amazing.
That's indeed really beautiful.

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kostal wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:46 am
I’ve been a Cubase user for almost 20 years now.

Cubase workflow is awesome for me. However, the GUI needs some love. With each update, Steinberg has definitely changed the look. But I feel like the designers think that we want flashy looks—very childish, consumer hifi, crammed, 3D, need for speed luxury car interior, etc. An example is right here in the forum. Look up. The shocking, bright-red Steinberg logo on top of a sky-blue gradient banner. My eyes hurt. :p

We are after all artists. Aesthetic sensibility matters: the way text is formatted, colors, events/regions, waveforms, analysis tools embedded logically, visual feedback, smoothness, etc. Things can look beautiful/inviting and be functional. Ableton does it well—they care. Logic is cognizant of this. Pro Tools has its own charm. But all these DAWs lack Cubase’s workflow and power for me.

Please lets make Cubase more beautiful.
Steinberg lives off that. They deliberately mess with the GUI in every update so as to sell you the fix in the next one, in turn introducing more braindead and annoying crap as they go along. There simply is no other explanation for this. They have the poison, they have the remedy.

Do not expect this behaviour to change anytime soon, it makes them money.
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ozinga wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:37 pm
kostal wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:06 am
Universal Audio’s LUNA is on its way! Looks freaking amazing.
That's indeed really beautiful.
+1
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Re: Cubase Aesthetic/GUI

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lordExtra wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:09 am
kostal wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:46 am
I’ve been a Cubase user for almost 20 years now.

Cubase workflow is awesome for me. However, the GUI needs some love. With each update, Steinberg has definitely changed the look. But I feel like the designers think that we want flashy looks—very childish, consumer hifi, crammed, 3D, need for speed luxury car interior, etc. An example is right here in the forum. Look up. The shocking, bright-red Steinberg logo on top of a sky-blue gradient banner. My eyes hurt. :p

We are after all artists. Aesthetic sensibility matters: the way text is formatted, colors, events/regions, waveforms, analysis tools embedded logically, visual feedback, smoothness, etc. Things can look beautiful/inviting and be functional. Ableton does it well—they care. Logic is cognizant of this. Pro Tools has its own charm. But all these DAWs lack Cubase’s workflow and power for me.

Please lets make Cubase more beautiful.
Steinberg lives off that. They deliberately mess with the GUI in every update so as to sell you the fix in the next one, in turn introducing more braindead and annoying crap as they go along. There simply is no other explanation for this. They have the poison, they have the remedy.

Do not expect this behaviour to change anytime soon, it makes them money.
That's sad. I really hope that is not the case. Also, when users here say that GUI doesn't matter, and that Steinberg should focus on bug fixes etc., I'm really shocked. I mean, the graphics team doesn't have much to do with bug fixes--they have their own job. And I'm sure there are various teams for different features and operations.

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Can't stand anything GUI related with Ableton.

Protools is stale and uninspiring.

Logic has a weird clunky tacky look to it, cheap like a GUI designed by a small phone app company.


Cubase is a GUI masterpiece. It's probably too good that it's throwing people off.

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I agree with lovegames.
The only issue in cubase is that over time they tried to make it apple-ish which lead to a strange mixture of various "GUi-Generation" depending on the part of the program you are in.
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kostal wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:19 am
lordExtra wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:09 am
kostal wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:46 am
I’ve been a Cubase user for almost 20 years now.

Cubase workflow is awesome for me. However, the GUI needs some love. With each update, Steinberg has definitely changed the look. But I feel like the designers think that we want flashy looks—very childish, consumer hifi, crammed, 3D, need for speed luxury car interior, etc. An example is right here in the forum. Look up. The shocking, bright-red Steinberg logo on top of a sky-blue gradient banner. My eyes hurt. :p

We are after all artists. Aesthetic sensibility matters: the way text is formatted, colors, events/regions, waveforms, analysis tools embedded logically, visual feedback, smoothness, etc. Things can look beautiful/inviting and be functional. Ableton does it well—they care. Logic is cognizant of this. Pro Tools has its own charm. But all these DAWs lack Cubase’s workflow and power for me.

Please lets make Cubase more beautiful.
Steinberg lives off that. They deliberately mess with the GUI in every update so as to sell you the fix in the next one, in turn introducing more braindead and annoying crap as they go along. There simply is no other explanation for this. They have the poison, they have the remedy.

Do not expect this behaviour to change anytime soon, it makes them money.
That's sad. I really hope that is not the case. Also, when users here say that GUI doesn't matter, and that Steinberg should focus on bug fixes etc., I'm really shocked. I mean, the graphics team doesn't have much to do with bug fixes--they have their own job. And I'm sure there are various teams for different features and operations.
Just ask yourself: why does Wavelab have a coherent GUI? Why do pretty much all other software companies try and succeed to come up with coherent GUIs, regardless of whether those are tasteful or not?

And why on earth would they not be capable to accomplish the same for Cubase?

Either they are running a charity, refusing to fire those who are simply incompetent ( which I doubt ), or it's likely being a scheme to push the boundaries for draining your dough.

If you watch that sponsored artist profile about Dominik Eulberg, you'll notice that they'll probably paid him to state therein that with regards to Steinberg, it's all about passion instead of profit. I almost pi55ed myself laughing.

Who smelt it, dealt it.
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lordExtra wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:53 am
kostal wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:19 am
lordExtra wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:09 am


Steinberg lives off that. They deliberately mess with the GUI in every update so as to sell you the fix in the next one, in turn introducing more braindead and annoying crap as they go along. There simply is no other explanation for this. They have the poison, they have the remedy.

Do not expect this behaviour to change anytime soon, it makes them money.
That's sad. I really hope that is not the case. Also, when users here say that GUI doesn't matter, and that Steinberg should focus on bug fixes etc., I'm really shocked. I mean, the graphics team doesn't have much to do with bug fixes--they have their own job. And I'm sure there are various teams for different features and operations.
Just ask yourself: why does Wavelab have a coherent GUI? Why do pretty much all other software companies try and succeed to come up with coherent GUIs, regardless of whether those are tasteful or not?

And why on earth would they not be capable to accomplish the same for Cubase?

Either they are running a charity, refusing to fire those who are simply incompetent ( which I doubt ), or it's likely being a scheme to push the boundaries for draining your dough.

If you watch that sponsored artist profile about Dominik Eulberg, you'll notice that they'll probably paid him to state therein that with regards to Steinberg, it's all about passion instead of profit. I almost pi55ed myself laughing.

Who smelt it, dealt it.
No offense but I think you are developing a false narrative not really based on anything but your own personal frustrations.

First of fall, you can't compare to newer DAWs that had the opportunity develop a GUI based off current SDK utilities, Operating Systems, Graphic card assets, etc, etc. Cubase has been around longer than Ableton, FL Studio, Studio One, etc.

Secondly, the GUI is not simply just graphics - there are user interaction parameters everywhere, and new features being added. If they are adding new features, they are potentially having to update the GUI, and if they are also wanting to overall update the GUI - well, they need to balance that between integrating new features into the new GUI and vice versa.

Thirdly, to some degree, all of these companies are being forced to change GUI based on current technology specifications in graphic driver support as well as screen resolutions and technology specifications.


Steinberg has been doing an amazing job of managing this logistically complicated feat. I don't think you really have any understanding of what that is like and what they are faced with. It's in many regards easier building a new program from the ground up, that it is to change one you already built without breaking everything and backwards compatibility. Hence why protools and new-now-old programs such as Ableton, FL Studio, etc haven't changed since their incarnation.

If you take a look at a newer software like Bitwig, you can see that they were able to build and design graphic elements that are utilized today and capitalized on Ableton getting a bit stale in looks and features.

Not everything is so simple friend.

passion instead of profit
I agree, because passion correctly focused will lead you to profit regardless.

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You are certainly entitled to your very own opinion. But please be so kind and comment on the main points raised, instead of just conveying assumptions rather than observations.

Edit: I think I will - just for fun - start to collect the annual release marketing campaigns of theirs. Just to remind myself, how absolutely ridiculous those are at times...latest example : to pretend, retrospective recording is an all-new feature. It's simply mind bending...
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passion instead of profit
I agree, because passion correctly focused will lead you to profit regardless.

A pretty romantic thought mate.
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Elien wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:44 am
I agree with lovegames.
The only issue in cubase is that over time they tried to make it apple-ish which lead to a strange mixture of various "GUi-Generation" depending on the part of the program you are in.

Steinberg tried to make Cubase “apple-ish”? When? Lol. They can’t even get font kerning right yet. Please.

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lordExtra wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:07 pm
You are certainly entitled to your very own opinion. But please be so kind and comment on the main points raised, instead of just conveying assumptions rather than observations.

Edit: I think I will - just for fun - start to collect the annual release marketing campaigns of theirs. Just to remind myself, how absolutely ridiculous those are at times...latest example : to pretend, retrospective recording is an all-new feature. It's simply mind bending...
I did address the points. You're making an accusation that their GUIs are some profit scheme - I pointed it out, it's tangibly much more complicated than that and they are adding more features and content at a much greater rate across multiple DAWs (Nuendo, Cubase, Wavelab, Groove Agent, Halion, Dorico, Spectralayers, etc).

It's not a matter of opinion mate, you're wrong. We're not deliberating on what colour to paint the walls in the apartment we're not moving into together.

In regards to romance, a bit of that doesn't hurt either. The successful professionals I've met in this industry certainly aren't lacking passion and it certainly wasn't profit that got them through the hard times.

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Perhaps this one significant update a year needs to be changed to multiple significant updates a year—like PreSonus or Apple does. And they do it for free. I wouldn’t even mind paying a bit if the updates are good.

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Everything's fine. just make music

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lovegames wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:55 pm
Everything's fine. just make music
Uh, thanks, buddy!

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lovegames wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:41 pm
lordExtra wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:07 pm
You are certainly entitled to your very own opinion. But please be so kind and comment on the main points raised, instead of just conveying assumptions rather than observations.

Edit: I think I will - just for fun - start to collect the annual release marketing campaigns of theirs. Just to remind myself, how absolutely ridiculous those are at times...latest example : to pretend, retrospective recording is an all-new feature. It's simply mind bending...
I did address the points. You're making an accusation that their GUIs are some profit scheme - I pointed it out, it's tangibly much more complicated than that and they are adding more features and content at a much greater rate across multiple DAWs (Nuendo, Cubase, Wavelab, Groove Agent, Halion, Dorico, Spectralayers, etc).

It's not a matter of opinion mate, you're wrong. We're not deliberating on what colour to paint the walls in the apartment we're not moving into together.

In regards to romance, a bit of that doesn't hurt either. The successful professionals I've met in this industry certainly aren't lacking passion and it certainly wasn't profit that got them through the hard times.
Dude, I am talking:

- incoherent colour schemes
- burnt out fonts
- pointless modifications no one's ever complained about
- less flexibility
- oops we didn't even notice this sucks

Gimme a break...
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I have to say that overall I love the GUI of Cubase. Despite some minor things which were already mentioned. It looks good and is mostly intuitive.
After trying out Studio One, Reaper and Protools I'd never want it to be like they are in general aesthetically. Cluttered and ugly.

Was already mentioned that in the bottom zone mixer the inserts tab is not like the mixconsole views inserts voew? If you have colored tracks its hard to read the fonts. Most probably because the background there is not darkened as it is in the mixconsole.
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kostal wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:11 pm
Here's how I have customized my 10.5 to look better and functional (thanks for flat events).

Cubase 10.5-Custom.png
Love it! Mind sharing how you did that?

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displaced wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:13 pm
kostal wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:11 pm
Here's how I have customized my 10.5 to look better and functional (thanks for flat events).

Cubase 10.5-Custom.png
Love it! Mind sharing how you did that?
Not at all. Thank you.

I’m using stock Cubase color palette. I have changed project background to gray shade. Turned off grid overlay lines. Made the grid lines lighter. The waveform brightness is towards darker end but not completely black—there is no specific value, you’ll have to play with it. Also make the waveform outline as low as possible.

Moreover, though you can’t see, I have also made my loop selection transparent—basically the same color as project window.

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kostal wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:11 pm
Here's how I have customized my 10.5 to look better and functional (thanks for flat events).

Cubase 10.5-Custom.png
look awesome! Can you pls show how Automation lines looks with this color scheme ?
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djgraver wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:17 pm
kostal wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:11 pm
Here's how I have customized my 10.5 to look better and functional (thanks for flat events).

Cubase 10.5-Custom.png
look awesome! Can you pls show how Automation lines looks with this color scheme ?
Thanks. Sure. Just working on something--so took a quick screenshot:
Cubase-10.5-Custom-Automation.png
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Please just no PT or Ableton as a source of inspiration for GUI. Both are hideous and have style of Win 3.11. Not everyone is into Vaporwave aesthetics ;) I hope Steinberg will not go that way.

I would welcome option for 'skins' so everyone could create or DL custom skins made by other users so everyone could use whatever they like without forcing everyone to one and only GUI version.

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battleangel wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:47 pm
Please just no PT or Ableton as a source of inspiration for GUI. Both are hideous and have style of Win 3.11. Not everyone is into Vaporwave aesthetics ;) I hope Steinberg will not go that way.

I would welcome option for 'skins' so everyone could create or DL custom skins made by other users so everyone could use whatever they like without forcing everyone to one and only GUI version.
It’s not about copying other DAWS. Taking inspiration is absolutely fine. There must be one thing Pro Tools does better than Cubase. Or Ableton does better than Cubase. You better get inspired.

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