7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

All feature requests and suggestions for upcoming releases of Cubase Pro 9, Cubase Artist 9 and Cubase Elements 9 can be posted here.
fese
Junior Member
Posts: 92
Joined: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:19 pm
Contact:

7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by fese »

Yes, it's a great DAW functionality-wise, I've been using it since 2004 or so, but UI/UX-wise it doesn't always live up to the "Pro" in its name.
Now I know design is often subjective (like colours and skeuomorphic vs. flat design) but there are some guidelines in (screen) design nonetheless and as someone who has worked in that area (print design, granted), it still makes me cringe when I look at Cubase since 7.
The biggest problem with Cubase is missing consistency in my opinion. There are UI elements from the past 15 years mixed together, but even the newer ones fail in this regard.

Let's see.

1. Scrollbars.
I counted four different scrollbar designs. 1. mixer, bottom 2. mixer, rack (also in the plugin manager), 3. Arrange window (also really badly aligned!) and 4. Windows from the good old SX days.
Now which one would be easiest to grab with a mouse or a touchpad? Take a guess...
Image
Now here's what Jakob Nielsen has to say about designing scrollbars (read it, Steinberg!)
https://www.nngroup.com/articles/scroll ... crollbars/
TL;DR: best practice, use those the operating system provides. If you use your own, make it look like a toolbar that users know.

2. The Edit-"e"
Cubase users know the slightly slanted lower case "e" since long time as a symbol for "edit". So why the hell is it an uppercase "E" above the faders in the mixer??? It isn't even in the insert rack in the same window. It isn't in the arrangement. Nowhere.
I really don't get it, this is such a screaming inconsistency, it looks like an amateur's work.
Image

3. The faders
Also since C7, it has gotten hard to tell the channels apart because of missing optical separation. Each fader is actually nearer to it's neighbour's meter than its own.

4. get rid of the ellipsis (...) in the insert/send name slots
Please tell me, which one of Valhalla's plugins are listed here:
Image
Now let's look at how C6 handled this:
Image
The ellipsis doesn't add information, it removes it. Get rid of it.

5. the new green pre/post-fader line
OK, this might be a taste issue, but whoever thought it would be cool to use a light green dotted line that appears nowhere else in the entire Cubase UI system has a bad taste. The visual feedback for pre/post fader is guaranteed by the different slot colors (blue/green), no need to give us eye cancer. Or make it at least the same color as the "focus color" which is user customizable.

6. Do not change design elements just for the sake of it between versions
From C9 to C9.5 several things have changed that IMHO actually didn't need fixing badly.
The plugin select window looks different now, the visibility is now indicated by a checkmark instead of a circle (frankly, looks like a bad Powerpoint now), the zones indicators are still circles, the insert bypass buttons now look different than the send bypasses. All not dramatic changes, but not entirely neccessary. It seems like they were done just to show that you made an update. I might be wrong and there is a reasoning behind it that I don't see.

7. Use a consistent UI toolkit
Now this might not be so easy to fix as I guess that the UI widget class design at Cubase is pretty much a convoluted mess of over 15 years.
These are some of Cubases windows. Not one looks the same, even the newer ones on the left have all different icons, different backgrounds and buttons with varying shades of grey. It looks as if they are from at least two different programs:
Image

I mean, if you write a new plugin manager, why make it look completely different from the rest of the program, color-wise?

I only updated from C6 to C9 a year ago and I still haven't really gotten used to the new UI, especially the mixer.
OK, rant over :mrgreen:

Carvin Man
Member
Posts: 215
Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:47 am
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by Carvin Man »

Many of us had this "fight" when C7 came about...... I agree completely. It's about time to unify the looks of all windows and menus etc.

Thurisaz
Member
Posts: 416
Joined: Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:43 am
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by Thurisaz »

fese, really nice topic! :-) Indeed Steinberg have to work around and do something to fix these GUI issues. Especially the Scrollbars and the faders. The other things could be somehow acceptable, but they also need some work around...
I hope they will take in mind this topic!
Actually Cubase is the only software on my computer with few different scrolbars :) Pro Tools, Studio One, Sibelius, Notion, Overture 5.5, Kontakt... OpenOffice, Firefox.. all they have identically looking scrollbars, that are easy to be grabbed by mouse.
BTW, Pro Tools could be given as great example /the best one in my opinion and experience/ for well designed GUI, and also the colors are really well selected.
I'm agree that Steiny have to read the article written by Jacob Nielsen, it's really good! :-)
Composer, arranger, orchestrator, multi-instrumentalist and sound engineer
Workstation: HP Z820 (2x Xeon Octa-Core E5-2670 @ 2.6GHz, 64GB Ram DDR3 @ 1333MHz)
OS: Windows 10 Pro 1909
DAWs: Cubase Pro 10.0.60, Studio One 4.6, Pro Tools 12
Notation: Dorico Pro 3.5.0, Overture 5.6, Sibelius 2019.7
VI Host: Vienna Ensemble Pro 7.0.1056

User avatar
raino
Grand Senior Member
Posts: 4503
Joined: Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:41 am
Location: San Francisco
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by raino »

Excellent points. Hope Steinberg actually hears the message.
rodger

Cubase Pro 10.5, Win10 Home, Halion6, Groove Agent 5, WaveLab Pro 10, BFD3, GPO, Komplete Ultimate 9, Waves Gold, Misc. other

i7 4771 Haswell Processor 3.5GHz, ADK LGA1150, 16GB RAM, GeForce GTX970, RME Fireface 400, 2x UAD-2

Latest: Bawdy Politik https://rodgerraino.bandcamp.com/releases

Puma0382
Senior Member
Posts: 1974
Joined: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:11 pm
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by Puma0382 »

+1
Last edited by Puma0382 on Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:40 pm, edited 2 times in total.
System 1:- Win10 64bit, Gigabyte H81M m/board, Intel i7 4790 3.6Ghz, 16Gb RAM, NVIDIA GTX 750 Ti, 2 x 22" HD monitors; Steinberg UR44; Cubase Pro v10.5.20, WaveLab Pro v10.0.40, Studio One v4.6.1, Dorico Elements v3.5.10, Addictive Drums 2, Komplete 12, StylusRMX

System 2:- Win10 32bit, Q6600 2.4 Ghz, 4Gb RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS, Delta 1010LT; Cubase Pro v8.0.40, WaveLab Pro v9.1.0, Komplete10, StylusRMX

Romantique Tp
External Moderator
Posts: 2877
Joined: Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:25 pm
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by Romantique Tp »

yep
Last edited by Romantique Tp on Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Every time someone says "it must be easy to add/fix", a programmer dies.

Cubase Pro and Wavelab Pro (latest), Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit, MSI Z87-G45 GAMING, i5 4690k, GeForce GTX 760, almost every Steinberg plugin and expansion, Trilian, Komplete 10, etc etc etc etc

fbeauvaisc
Member
Posts: 222
Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:08 pm
Location: Montreal
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by fbeauvaisc »

All very good observations and very well put. Great work! They need to adresse this!
François Beauvais
www.francoisbeauvais.com
Master - Windows 10 / z390 / i9-9900k / 64gb 2400mhz / RME Fireface UFX / Cubase 10.5
Slave 1 - Windows 10 / x79 / Xeon E5-1620 / 64gb 1333mhz
Slave 2 - Windows 10 / P9X79 / i7-4820k / 64gb 2133mhz

scarlatino
New Member
Posts: 39
Joined: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:45 am
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by scarlatino »

C6 is best GUI.

User avatar
Prock
Grand Senior Member
Posts: 3970
Joined: Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:22 pm
Location: Connecticut, USA
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by Prock »

+1 ... Nicely presented. ;)

Regards 8-)
PRock Studio

DAW: Cubase Pro 10.5.20, OS: Win 10 Pro x64, CPU: Intel Core i7 4700K @ 4.0GHz, RAM: 32GB/DDR4/2800MHz, Graphics: 4GB GeForce GTX 960, Mobo: MSI Z170A Gaming Pro Carbon, AI: PreSonus Studio 192 Mobile, Mic Preamp: PreSonus TubePre, Headphone Amp: PreSonus HP4, Studio Monitors: Mackie MR5, 3rd Party VSTs: GSi VB3-II, SampleTank 3, Amplitube 4, Miroslav Philharmonik 2, EZDrummer 2

https://soundcloud.com/prockstudio

djw
Senior Member
Posts: 1644
Joined: Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:49 am
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by djw »

I agree with your critiques and actually made a similar post about this somewhere else.

Just remember that most of these things have technical reasons behind them, including that white plug-in manager, and that work on the UI is an ongoing process.

fese
Junior Member
Posts: 92
Joined: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:19 pm
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by fese »

djw wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:08 pm
Just remember that most of these things have technical reasons behind them, including that white plug-in manager, and that work on the UI is an ongoing process.
Sorry, i really cannot see a technical reason for one white window amidst a otherwise dark GUI. Or the other issues like different scrollbar designs. I know that there is still a lot of SX-Code left, especially in the dialogs, but I have no problem with that, those are actually fine.

It is mostly the stuff since C7 when they redesigned a lot that is inconsistent, so it cannot be because of an old codebase. Yes, Cubase was never the prettiest or most elegant DAW on the market, but things have gotten worse in the past years.

omniphonix
Junior Member
Posts: 149
Joined: Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:27 am
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by omniphonix »

I agree on all points except for number 5. There needs to be some demarcation where we know if we are inserting a pre- or post-fader insert now that it is adjustable in 9.5. Simply showing feedback after the insert has been added is not enough. The focus color solution might be a way to go, but I could also see it getting lost in the UI that way. Maybe we could just make the color customizable?

P.S. Green is the the color the human eye sees with the highest definition.
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-huma ... her-colour
Main DAW: Core i9-7940X | 64GB DDR4 3200 | Asus Prime X299-A | Radeon RX570 | Samsung 950 Pro 512GB & 850 Evo 2TB | Acer T272HUL | UR824 | CC121 | Virus TI | MCU Pro | Akai MPD232 | Nektar Panorama P6 | Roland VG-99 | Win10 Pro x64 v1809 | Cubase Pro 10 | Reason 10

DAW/Gig NB: MSI GT76 9SG | Core i9-9900K | 64GB DDR4 2666 | RTX 2080 8GB | 2x PM981 512GB NVMe SSD RAID0 | 860 QVO 2TB SATA SSD | iConnect Audio4+ | Akai APC40 mkII | Akai MPK249 | Win10 Pro x64 v1809 | Cubase Pro 10 | Ableton Live 10

iPad Pro 12.9" Gen 3 1TB: Same Audio4+ as above | CME Xkey 37 | Cubasis 2 | Cubase iC Pro | Many IAA/AU Apps

User avatar
Winter Rat
Member
Posts: 710
Joined: Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:10 pm
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by Winter Rat »

So true. Especially about MixConsole. Since the time it was distributed I just avoid to use it because I hardly can see that very channel I want to use. We need better channel separators. And all those knobs 'M" "S" "L" "E" etc. glued together are terrible to my taste.
Cubase 9.5
Win 8.1 or Win 10 Pro; Intel Core i7-8700K; Gigabyte GA-Z370 HD3P; 16 GB, 3000 MHz; GeForce GTX 1050.

JBF
Junior Member
Posts: 183
Joined: Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:26 am
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by JBF »

Fully agree. Everything!
Cubase GUI is very inconsistent.
Which is not only the issue of taste.
It is hard on eyes and makes the work flow less intuitive.
+1000000..
Win8.1/64bit / Core i7-3930K 6*3,20 GHz /GA-X79-UP4/4*16 gb/NVidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Palit > Cubase 9.0.4 Pro

djgraver
Member
Posts: 526
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:21 pm
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by djgraver »

#4
Agree!
Btw, I found c4-6 more faster response then c8-9.0
Win10 x64;Core i5-4670;16GB RAM;SSD system HDD library;Nvidia 1050Ti 4GB
Cubase (always last update)

In_Stereo
Senior Member
Posts: 1529
Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:21 pm
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by In_Stereo »

These are all great points. The pre/post plugin line doesn't bother me at all, but everything else combines to make the Cubase GUI look somewhat pasted together compared to other DAWs.
Latest Cubase 10.5, Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, i9 10920x 12-core 4.8gHz, 128 gigs RAM, AMD RX-550 , plugins galore, some hardware, a bunch of real instruments and synths, Apollo 8 TB, etc., etc., and two cats

Puma0382
Senior Member
Posts: 1974
Joined: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:11 pm
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by Puma0382 »

Winter Rat wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:34 am
So true. Especially about MixConsole. Since the time it was distributed I just avoid to use it because I hardly can see that very channel I want to use. We need better channel separators. And all those knobs 'M" "S" "L" "E" etc. glued together are terrible to my taste.
I'd vote for this; anything to give the eye a better visual clue.

Scrolling up and down in the MixConsole rack when say the EQ section is open, and fills the entire space.? Painful. Error prone.
Scrolling horizontally, when you accidentally have your mouse cursor over a fader..? whoops.! there goes your level on that channel...
System 1:- Win10 64bit, Gigabyte H81M m/board, Intel i7 4790 3.6Ghz, 16Gb RAM, NVIDIA GTX 750 Ti, 2 x 22" HD monitors; Steinberg UR44; Cubase Pro v10.5.20, WaveLab Pro v10.0.40, Studio One v4.6.1, Dorico Elements v3.5.10, Addictive Drums 2, Komplete 12, StylusRMX

System 2:- Win10 32bit, Q6600 2.4 Ghz, 4Gb RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS, Delta 1010LT; Cubase Pro v8.0.40, WaveLab Pro v9.1.0, Komplete10, StylusRMX

mitchiemasha
Member
Posts: 728
Joined: Tue May 10, 2011 10:02 pm
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by mitchiemasha »

+1

Whilst the Pre/Post fader line isn't really much of an issue, I did think WTF, why, when i first seen it, it's so out of place. The plug in manger assaulted me the first time i opened it. The elipssis is totally useless. The E annoys me, even just the placement of these letter in the button is off from what would be considered good alignment. Also the STEREO/MONO in control room on smallest view, cuts the letters, the 1/2 box doesn't even need to be next to it, this could be combined.

And point 6, circles and ticks... that was my biggest WHY? at least if doing that make it more compact.
W10, CP10.5, i7 9700k OC 5.0, Noctua NH-U9S, MSI z390, 16Gb 3000Mhz DDR4, PCIe NVME 970 Pro, Be Quiet SP11, Virus TI (Integrated), Yamaha CS2x (Custom Mapped), Dynaudio BM5's mkII & Eve SC305's.

sgt_rock333
New Member
Posts: 2
Joined: Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:43 pm
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by sgt_rock333 »

+1

omniphonix
Junior Member
Posts: 149
Joined: Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:27 am
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by omniphonix »

mitchiemasha wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:01 pm
Whilst the Pre/Post fader line isn't really much of an issue, I did think WTF, why, when i first seen it, it's so out of place.
Because you can move the pre/post fader line now that they upped to 16 inserts. You need to be able to find it/click it/drag it. It used to just be an indicator but now it's a control.
Main DAW: Core i9-7940X | 64GB DDR4 3200 | Asus Prime X299-A | Radeon RX570 | Samsung 950 Pro 512GB & 850 Evo 2TB | Acer T272HUL | UR824 | CC121 | Virus TI | MCU Pro | Akai MPD232 | Nektar Panorama P6 | Roland VG-99 | Win10 Pro x64 v1809 | Cubase Pro 10 | Reason 10

DAW/Gig NB: MSI GT76 9SG | Core i9-9900K | 64GB DDR4 2666 | RTX 2080 8GB | 2x PM981 512GB NVMe SSD RAID0 | 860 QVO 2TB SATA SSD | iConnect Audio4+ | Akai APC40 mkII | Akai MPK249 | Win10 Pro x64 v1809 | Cubase Pro 10 | Ableton Live 10

iPad Pro 12.9" Gen 3 1TB: Same Audio4+ as above | CME Xkey 37 | Cubasis 2 | Cubase iC Pro | Many IAA/AU Apps

User avatar
raino
Grand Senior Member
Posts: 4503
Joined: Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:41 am
Location: San Francisco
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by raino »

omniphonix wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:37 am
mitchiemasha wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:01 pm
Whilst the Pre/Post fader line isn't really much of an issue, I did think WTF, why, when i first seen it, it's so out of place.
Because you can move the pre/post fader line now that they upped to 16 inserts. You need to be able to find it/click it/drag it. It used to just be an indicator but now it's a control.
Good point.
rodger

Cubase Pro 10.5, Win10 Home, Halion6, Groove Agent 5, WaveLab Pro 10, BFD3, GPO, Komplete Ultimate 9, Waves Gold, Misc. other

i7 4771 Haswell Processor 3.5GHz, ADK LGA1150, 16GB RAM, GeForce GTX970, RME Fireface 400, 2x UAD-2

Latest: Bawdy Politik https://rodgerraino.bandcamp.com/releases

User avatar
cheveyo
Junior Member
Posts: 120
Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:07 pm
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by cheveyo »

+1

They must consolidate this in future releases...
--
iMac Retina 5k (OSX10.14),
Cubase from Atari to 10.0.x, Wavelab from 5 to 9.5, StudioOne from 3.1 to 4.x, LogicProX 10.x
Notion 6, Sibelius 7.5, Guitar Pro 7, Dorico from 1.0 to 3
Scarlett 18i20, Line6-Helix

lucatron
Junior Member
Posts: 76
Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:14 am
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by lucatron »

I hope they hear you!

mitchiemasha
Member
Posts: 728
Joined: Tue May 10, 2011 10:02 pm
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by mitchiemasha »

omniphonix wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:37 am
Because you can move the pre/post fader line now that they upped to 16 inserts. You need to be able to find it/click it/drag it. It used to just be an indicator but now it's a control.
I know that... that's not my point... it's the abruptness of the 'NEON GREEN' line that was the issue. I don't mind it now.
W10, CP10.5, i7 9700k OC 5.0, Noctua NH-U9S, MSI z390, 16Gb 3000Mhz DDR4, PCIe NVME 970 Pro, Be Quiet SP11, Virus TI (Integrated), Yamaha CS2x (Custom Mapped), Dynaudio BM5's mkII & Eve SC305's.

omniphonix
Junior Member
Posts: 149
Joined: Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:27 am
Contact:

Re: 7 design issues that should be easy to fix in Cubase

Post by omniphonix »

mitchiemasha wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:50 pm
I know that... that's not my point... it's the abruptness of the 'NEON GREEN' line that was the issue. I don't mind it now.
Eh... you'll never get everyone to agree on a color. I'm sure at some point they'll let you customize it in the preferences.
Main DAW: Core i9-7940X | 64GB DDR4 3200 | Asus Prime X299-A | Radeon RX570 | Samsung 950 Pro 512GB & 850 Evo 2TB | Acer T272HUL | UR824 | CC121 | Virus TI | MCU Pro | Akai MPD232 | Nektar Panorama P6 | Roland VG-99 | Win10 Pro x64 v1809 | Cubase Pro 10 | Reason 10

DAW/Gig NB: MSI GT76 9SG | Core i9-9900K | 64GB DDR4 2666 | RTX 2080 8GB | 2x PM981 512GB NVMe SSD RAID0 | 860 QVO 2TB SATA SSD | iConnect Audio4+ | Akai APC40 mkII | Akai MPK249 | Win10 Pro x64 v1809 | Cubase Pro 10 | Ableton Live 10

iPad Pro 12.9" Gen 3 1TB: Same Audio4+ as above | CME Xkey 37 | Cubasis 2 | Cubase iC Pro | Many IAA/AU Apps

Post Reply

Return to “Feature Requests and Suggestions”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests