Bring back Embracer and friends!

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The trusty old Embracer, Monologue and Tonic combo from way back would be a very welcome surprise in future updates. Retrologue is good, but its filter is nowhere near as smooth as the Monologue's, and the Tonic standalone filter was a nice option when wanting to run something through its resonant overtones. To this day, it remains one of the best sounding analog modelling filters I've used.

And as for Embracer - there literally is no other synth quite like it. It's simplicity, it's unique concept, it's surround sound capability, and the fact that it's so easy to learn and use set it apart from a lot of standard synth designs. It's a fantastic go-to for lush pads, strings and choral sounds, and it's one of those instruments that becomes a natural part of your workflow landscape. I have tried a LOT of synth VSTs and sample libraries out over the last few years, and I still keep coming back to Embracer.

Release it as an "old school pack" or something, perhaps with an updated GUI and definitely with added 64 bit/intel compatibility, and thank me later when you make a bunch of money from something you discontinued for no good reason :)

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+1 ;)

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+1

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I would love to have Embracer again. Even better would be to have the original sounds and features remade for Halion.

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See this reference to an old post where Ed Doll confirms that nothing can be done for these old plugins as Steinberg do not own the source code.
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Yeah, its was a big down that Embracer disappeared. Pin-pointed synths like Embracer are the best, where you dont have to scroll through endless *flower* sounds to find what your looking for.

Even though Steinberg doesn't own the source code, Im sure an embracer-like is not that hard to remake.
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weld77 wrote:
Thu May 18, 2017 4:48 am
I would love to have Embracer again. Even better would be to have the original sounds and features remade for Halion.
Agree so much.

Does anyone know of a way to load it within a host even? XT2 for example

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Bring back ModDelay too!

JBridge can't wrap any of the old Steinberg plugins because they're not implemented as standard VST plugins :(

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GargoyleStudio wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:26 pm
Bring back ModDelay too!

JBridge can't wrap any of the old Steinberg plugins because they're not implemented as standard VST plugins :(

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will3music wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:54 am
The trusty old Embracer, Monologue and Tonic combo from way back would be a very welcome surprise in future updates. Retrologue is good, but its filter is nowhere near as smooth as the Monologue's, and the Tonic standalone filter was a nice option when wanting to run something through its resonant overtones. To this day, it remains one of the best sounding analog modelling filters I've used.

And as for Embracer - there literally is no other synth quite like it. It's simplicity, it's unique concept, it's surround sound capability, and the fact that it's so easy to learn and use set it apart from a lot of standard synth designs. It's a fantastic go-to for lush pads, strings and choral sounds, and it's one of those instruments that becomes a natural part of your workflow landscape. I have tried a LOT of synth VSTs and sample libraries out over the last few years, and I still keep coming back to Embracer.

Release it as an "old school pack" or something, perhaps with an updated GUI and definitely with added 64 bit/intel compatibility, and thank me later when you make a bunch of money from something you discontinued for no good reason :)
Yes, it was my go to for pads... :(
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Yep, I've said it before, I'd be happy to pay for a re-release of some of the old Steinberg plugins. After all, Waves still punt their oldest plugins, updated for the latest OS's and people still buy them and upgrade them.

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I would also pay to have Embracer, Monologue, and Tonic back. I got much use out of these back in the day. By contrast, I basically never touch Prologue, Mystic, or Spector, and despite finding uses for Retrologue I have never been in love with its sound (nor its awful, messy looking UI).

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You can still use them. Your cubase 9 pro licence allowes you to use any old version. The Iso files are on the FTP server ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/Download/

You can then copy the dll files from a earlier install for the plugins into a cubase 8.5 32 install and most will work just fine!!!

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Bencow wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:35 pm
You can still use them. Your cubase 9 pro licence allowes you to use any old version. The Iso files are on the FTP server ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/Download/

You can then copy the dll files from a earlier install for the plugins into a cubase 8.5 32 install and most will work just fine!!!

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Bencow wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:35 pm
You can still use them. Your cubase 9 pro licence allowes you to use any old version. The Iso files are on the FTP server ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/Download/

You can then copy the dll files from a earlier install for the plugins into a cubase 8.5 32 install and most will work just fine!!!

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Oh I see, they would have to reporgram them from scratch, as Perviously mentioned they have rights issues with the code. No reason they can't remake them under different names with they own code. In addition id love to see the vocoder return!
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Bencow wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:22 pm
Oh I see, they would have to reporgram them from scratch, as Perviously mentioned they have rights issues with the code. No reason they can't remake them under different names with they own code. In addition id love to see the vocoder return!
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The bridge in DDMF Metaplugin does not work either. Why can't those plugins being bridged by 3rd party bridges?
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The old discontinued Steinberg VSTbridge can do it in 64bit Cubase 8.5 and earlier.
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MikeWK wrote:
Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:22 am
The old discontinued Steinberg VSTbridge can do it in 64bit Cubase 8.5 and earlier
Yes, in fact the last time I used Embracer was in that very configuration, without issue. Maybe the VSTBridge developers have some insider knowledge?
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It disgusts me that Embracer isn't usable and I still haven't found an adequate replacement, almost a year later. 'Classic Strings' was my go-to preset for all sorts of things. Indeed, I was just popping back to the forum to see if the problem have been resolved.

QUESTION: what is the closest preset available with Cubase 9 that sounds like Embracer's Classic Strings? I'd really appreciate your suggestions.

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Godfrey wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:25 pm
QUESTION: what is the closest preset available with Cubase 9 that sounds like Embracer's Classic Strings?
Make a very basic (8-16 bars) project and upload it here and I'm sure there are plenty of people who will rise to the challenge!
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MrSoundman wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:27 pm
Godfrey wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:25 pm
QUESTION: what is the closest preset available with Cubase 9 that sounds like Embracer's Classic Strings?
Make a very basic (8-16 bars) project and upload it here and I'm sure there are plenty of people who will rise to the challenge!
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I had another preset I like very much.
My solution was: :idea: generated several wav files for a lot of notes and put them together in a KONTAKT 5 instrument.
No easy, not nice, took some effort and time. But it worked for me.
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