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I have many custom accidentals, all from one font. They worked correctly in all respects in Dorico 2.2 (Macintosh). In 3.1, they load and show up and sound correctly in all the Dorico onscreen modes (Setup, Write, etc.), but some will not print (in a pdf or otherwise). I've tried looking in several places for discrepancies between the ones that print and the ones that don't. No success. I also get the font missing dialog for these accidentals all the time in 3.1, but the font is present.

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The font missing dialog often shows missing STYLES of a given typeface, e.g. there's no Bold or Italic for a Music font, but a Dorico 'Font Style' is set to use a Music Font in a Bold weight.
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I have many custom accidentals, all from one font. They worked correctly in all respects in Dorico 2.2 (Macintosh). In 3.1, they load and show up and sound correct in all the Dorico onscreen modes (Setup, Write, etc.), but some will not print (in a pdf or otherwise). I've tried looking in several places for discrepancies between the ones that print and the ones that don't. No success. I also get the font missing dialog for these accidentals all the time in 3.1, but the font is present.
For font portability in PDFs, maybe you need to check if your fonts are embeddable I mean if they are set to "Installable Mode" :idea: . see attachment.
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The font missing dialog often shows missing STYLES of a given typeface, e.g. there's no Bold or Italic for a Music font, but a Dorico 'Font Style' is set to use a Music Font in a Bold weight.
Yes, but -generally- I think that Dorico is set to use Regular, Italic, Bold and Bold Italic to whatever font it uses. :?
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NorFonts wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:11 am

For font portability in PDFs, maybe you need to check if your fonts are embeddable I mean if they are set to "Installable Mode" :idea: . see attachment.
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The font is listed as embedded in the pdf, but the pdf still doesn't print many of the accidentals. The question may be what's different about Dorico 3, because under the same circumstances, Dorico 2 wasn't a problem.

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Please make a new post and report that, Daniel might help you!
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NorFonts wrote:
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Please make a new post and report that, Daniel might help you!
No need to start a new thread. The team reads every thread and every reply.
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Ah! d'accord. :)
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rapoport3a wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:27 pm
The font is listed as embedded in the pdf, but the pdf still doesn't print many of the accidentals. The question may be what's different about Dorico 3, because under the same circumstances, Dorico 2 wasn't a problem.
Can you attach a minimal example project that uses these accidentals, and the font itself, in a zip file in a reply to this thread? Without the actual project and the actual font there's nothing we can do to help.

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Thanks for that request --- here's a file (I hope) with a scale on D using all the accidentals plus the font.
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Thanks for the files. There seems to be something a bit untoward with the font itself; although it appears to work OK in Dorico, and it appears to be embedded correctly in the PDF, I find that it chokes both of the font editing applications.I have access to on my computer here, crashing one and showing no glyphs in the other. So I think the font may be a bit suspect.

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Thanks for trying it. Still a mystery, then, that it worked in earlier Dorico and that even now some glyphs show up in the pdf but others don't.

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If you can see what's wrong with the font, I'll be interested! May changing the font format help?

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Unfortunately I can't see what's wrong with the font, so I'm not sure exactly what to suggest.

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I’m not entirely sure this is the cause of your problems but I see that your font contains a lot of glyphs with names that contain or consist entirely of special characters. It’d be worth to try and use canonical names.

What software have you used to create the font?
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rapoport3a wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:02 pm
Thanks for that request --- here's a file (I hope) with a scale on D using all the accidentals plus the font.

Steinberg.zip

I tried to re-generate the font again from FontForge and Glyphs app, please let me know if this prints out correctly. Just re-write the old font, but please backup it first.
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p.s: When I loaded the font at first in FL7, FL7 crashed, Glyphs app opened a blank version of the font .... well, FF does the job!
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NorFonts: you have solved my problem. Thank you very much. The music now prints all the custom accidentals in pdf and on paper. What did you do, if you can describe it in not too much detail, to regenerate the font in FontForge?

Previously I had found FF too difficult to use and used instead an inexpensive font creator for part of the font. (Before that, going back many years, I don't remember what I used.) As I mentioned, the font worked in Dorico 2. But I am using Dorico 3 and am therefore glad to be able to resume work knowing that I can print the result.

Thanks also to everyone who considered my problem, including Daniel, of course, who seems to have been right that the font was a problem.

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P. S. I still get the missing font dialog box on opening files, although that seems to have no consequence.

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rapoport3a wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:44 am
NorFonts: you have solved my problem. Thank you very much. The music now prints all the custom accidentals in pdf and on paper. What did you do, if you can describe it is not too much detail, to regenerate the font in FontForge?

Previously I had found FF too difficult to use and used instead of an inexpensive font creator for part of the font. (Before that, going back many years, I don't remember what I used.) As I mentioned, the font worked in Dorico 2. But I am using Dorico 3 and am therefore glad to be able to resume work knowing that I can print the result.

Thanks also to everyone who considered my problem, including Daniel, of course, who seems to have been right that the font was a problem.
:) Yes FF is a bit different, but I think its a simple software just like FL or Glyph, you only need to get accustomed to it. I basically use FL and Glyphs app, so what I did is just regenerate as OTF from the File menu, that's it.
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P. S. I still get the missing font dialog box on opening files, although that seems to have no consequence.
Can you screenshot that missing font dialog box?
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rapoport3a wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:44 am
.... What did you do, if you can describe it in not too much detail, to regenerate the font in FontForge?....
For more information, read here: http://designwithfontforge.com/en-US/Th ... Files.html
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Here is the dialog box for the missing font. Clicking on either option in it brings up the relevant Dorico file with no apparent problem.
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rapoport3a wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:31 pm
Here is the dialog box for the missing font. Clicking on either option in it brings up the relevant Dorico file with no apparent problem.

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In the Replacement Family double-click and select again Frax font and Plain in the Replacement Style. Save your dorico file then quit Dorico. Now, reopen it again and check for any missing font.
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Unfortunately that procedure makes no difference. Reopening the saved file brings the same dialog box about the missing font. Choosing Cancel or OK brings the Dorico file, which works correctly.

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