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Cross staff limitations ?

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Hello

I guess this is question for Daniel.
I'm making a revision of an old piece originally in Finale and I'm of course redoing it in Dorico.
Most of it was transferred with xml.

Now, I have this problem with cross staff and the limitation that one can only cross notes to other staves in multi-staff instruments.
I have plenty of cases where that would be a serious limitation. The example of this current being one of them.
It is often the with multi percussion..

here is an example.
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Do you intend to make this more flexible at some point ? (soon ?? won't be able to do it in Dorico otherwise :()

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You can cross notes between different instruments held by the same player, but you can't cross notes between instruments held by different players.

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Daniel, do they have to be on the same type of staff? I have an example where I tried to place a note cross staff between Tom-toms and timpani and Dorico wouldn't allow me to, but the Tom-toms were on a 4 line staff and the Timpani, of course, on a 5 line staff. Thanks.

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It seems that this is true only for staves of the same type right ?
I'm trying very hard to make it work within the same player but it does not work.
But my staves are of different type.. (like in my example above)

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You can cross between a pitched instrument staff and a single-line percussion staff, but not between a pitched staff and a kit or grid presentation for a percussion kit.

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Not ideal, but could work perhaps

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oh Daniel, this is then going to be my n°1 request on the wishlist.
I really need to be able to cross staff between any kind of staves.
not even pitched instrument and a 5 line presentation ??

Also, I found that I needed to be able to use different presentation types within the same player.
like a 5 line for an instrument with another instrument staff in grid, etc.

I have to put this revision work on hold then.

Is it possible at all for a future upgrade ?
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As I say, you can't cross between a pitched staff and a kit or grid presentation. I can't say whether or that is likely to change, but if it does change it won't be imminently.

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It seems like it's not possible to cross-staff between kits either.

I'm not a percussionist, nor have I written a lot for percussion, but it seems to me that any kind of cross-staff between unpitched, pitched, grid, lines or regular staves are very common in music involving percussion set-ups. I hope that in the future Dorico will offer this flexibility. For now, I guess I will find a way to distribute the instruments on one or several five-line staffs.

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