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swamptone wrote:I mix with my eyes and ears.

What could be better than using BOTH of those senses? I'll tell you what ....... add the sense of smell into the mixing environment!

Do you want you mix to have a hint of minty freshness? Prefer a field (or near-field) of wildflowers? Maybe the essence of a cedar lined closet? Enter the UAD-3 Glade plug-in. Voila! Perfecto! I'm so looking forward to the future! It's looking so bright, I gotta wear shades. ;)
Now you're talkin'!!
Of course, then you'd need an olfactory mixer to tweak up just the right scent - further complicating the process. :?
And why not be able to embed that scent onto the final mix, to further enhance the 'experience'!

Ya know, I think I've heard quite a few tunes that -did- have a certain stench. :mrgreen:
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Split wrote:
swamptone wrote:I'll tell you what ....... add the sense of smell into the mixing environment!
Sit in a control room with 5 band members, you get a sense of smell into the mixing environment alright :lol:


I keep 3 bars of deodorant in the bath. One is communal for all bands that need to use it and 2 are for sale. All upon suggestion from me and the other band members. :) You would be surprised how many opt to use the communal one instead of buying their own. I learned early on from working in a tiny carpet covered studio that ya gotta keep a few sticks around.

Now farting, that is a different story. The fart comics get kicked out of the control room and I urge them to go take a dump in the woods. :lol:

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Lenny Lee wrote: .............

Now you're talkin'!!
Of course, then you'd need an olfactory mixer to tweak up just the right scent - further complicating the process. :?
And why not be able to embed that scent onto the final mix, to further enhance the 'experience'!

Ya know, I think I've heard quite a few tunes that -did- have a certain stench. :mrgreen:

Yes, an olfactory mixer is esscential! Embedding scents in the final STEREO mix is also esscential! Imagine the possibilities! Roses panned hard left, Petunia's panned hard right, fresh-baked almond cake 50% left, new-car smell 50% right, and Channel No#5 center. Add some depth-of-stage to it and the possibilities are endless.

Put Ray Kurzweil on it right away. ;)
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I've had olfactory feedback from hardware for years. Unfortunately the 'electrical' smell is almost always immediately followed by the failure of the device to process a signal. So, I'm kind of against the idea.
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JMCecil wrote:I've had olfactory feedback from hardware for years. Unfortunately the 'electrical' smell is almost always immediately followed by the failure of the device to process a signal. So, I'm kind of against the idea.

You're supposed to keep the smoke inside the device. ;)
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swamptone wrote:
JMCecil wrote:I've had olfactory feedback from hardware for years. Unfortunately the 'electrical' smell is almost always immediately followed by the failure of the device to process a signal. So, I'm kind of against the idea.
You're supposed to keep the smoke inside the device. ;)
Yeah, the magic smoke! I've always wondered where that super secret factory is that compresses the smoke and injects it into the little plastic blobs.
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Fear is... walking into my studio and smelling that familiar odor of the little plastic blobs having released their smoke!!!

Running about looking for the culprit, being perplexed to not finding any evidence of damage anywhere.

Phoning my other engineer and quizzing him as to what may have happened, and realising it was actually the smell of TCP he'd been gargling with for a throat infection... :lol:
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Lenny Lee wrote:Maybe one day it'd be fun to stop by your place and see you in action, Tom.
That's what I'd like to see. Someone actually doing it. I like the idea of using a control surface... just that when I had one I could never find a way to make it work efficiently and always found myself going back to mouse... :?

I wonder if anyone has a vid anywhere?
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I'm a mouse dude... I have one motorised fader for tweaking, but otherwise it's mouse all the way.
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Split wrote:Phoning my other engineer and quizzing him as to what may have happened, and realising it was actually the smell of TCP he'd been gargling with for a throat infection... :lol:
hehehe, I had a similar false alarm when the heater kicked on for the first time of the year a couple years ago. Something in the heater went poooof, but the blower carried the smell into the room. :lol:
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Split wrote:...I have one motorized fader for tweaking...
Is that a FaderPort, or CC121, or "Tranzport"?

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emotive wrote:
Split wrote:...I have one motorized fader for tweaking...
Is that a FaderPort, or CC121, or "Tranzport"?
Alphatrack...
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Sherz wrote:
Lenny Lee wrote:Maybe one day it'd be fun to stop by your place and see you in action, Tom.
That's what I'd like to see. Someone actually doing it. I like the idea of using a control surface... just that when I had one I could never find a way to make it work efficiently and always found myself going back to mouse... :?

I wonder if anyone has a vid anywhere?
I don't know what you are going to see because for the most part, the monitor is going to be off after all the sound has been sculpted. What I will do is fire the rig on and show you the routings I do.

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Split wrote:Alphatrack...
I thought you owned "big" studio :mrgreen:

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A couple of examples. Different artists, same approach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RikDA2J ... e=youtu.be

Better example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijIJ44jX ... e=youtu.be

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emotive wrote:
Split wrote:Alphatrack...
I thought you owned "big" studio :mrgreen:
Faders a studio does not make :lol:

I have a big desk, it's for putting things on :mrgreen:
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Woodcrest Studio wrote:A couple of examples. Different artists, same approach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RikDA2J ... e=youtu.be

Better example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijIJ44jX ... e=youtu.be
Thanks for taking the time to do that, Tom. It's a cool looking setup.
I actually didn't take very much away from that, learning wise, because you were giving the
'quick overview', and most of the time I didn't know exactly what I was looking at or how you got there.

I noticed you did have a lot of those tracks automated with the Read button on so you must've taken some time
automating 'premix' - then leaving certain tracks free for you to ride the faders in the final mix?

Anyway - I did take away one time saving tip - I took note of the key command for 'desktop'. :)
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Split wrote:I have a big desk, it's for putting things on
I have a 2 tiered Italian designed workstation, with a rack to the left, two computer screens, avantones and a BMC 2 connected with a Roland UA-1G and an X-station and as of today, I think my USB charger means I can play during re-boots without the power going down 8-)

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emotive wrote:
Split wrote:I have a big desk, it's for putting things on
I have a 2 tiered Italian designed workstation, with a rack to the left, two computer screens, avantones and a BMC 2 connected with a Roland UA-1G and an X-station and as of today, I think my USB charger means I can play during re-boots without the power going down 8-)
Shush... stop wittering :lol:
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emotive reminds me of someone else, anyone else have a gut feeling?
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Strophoid wrote:emotive reminds me of someone else, anyone else have a gut feeling?
http://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=275
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There we go, cheers :)
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Lenny Lee wrote:
Woodcrest Studio wrote:A couple of examples. Different artists, same approach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RikDA2J ... e=youtu.be

Better example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijIJ44jX ... e=youtu.be
Thanks for taking the time to do that, Tom. It's a cool looking setup.
I actually didn't take very much away from that, learning wise, because you were giving the
'quick overview', and most of the time I didn't know exactly what I was looking at or how you got there.

I noticed you did have a lot of those tracks automated with the Read button on so you must've taken some time
automating 'premix' - then leaving certain tracks free for you to ride the faders in the final mix?

Anyway - I did take away one time saving tip - I took note of the key command for 'desktop'. :)
Have a look at this:

http://woodcreststudio.com/samples/Routing.jpg

I just made it up. The group channels are supposed to be stereo.

Almost every mix is 100% automated. The only exception is demos. With demos, I focus more on achieving a stable dynamite sound. If there is time to automate, I will, but most of the time with quick demos are "Faders Up"

Automation passes are made in view sets. Depending on how I want to mix, I may make a pass of dry treatment blending of the vox for instance with a guitar group. Then come back and do a wet vox pass after. It all depends. The view sets I make are different every time. A lot has to do with the actual dynamics and flair of each instrument, how they play off each other and what frequency domain they fall in. It also depends on how I want to join and position instruments in the stereo field's width, height and depth. If 2 instruments are counterpointing each other, I will create a view set for that and dedicate a automation write pass dedicated for them.

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Bare in mind with the example above that is a typical monophonic instrument mix approach. Other instruments that are recorded in stereo are handled a lot differently. With routings for stereo recorded instruments, you will see a lot of M/S, ORTF, spaced pair and near/far. For instance, I will have a mic or 2 up close to a guitar amp to achieve the meat and potatoes of the sound and this is blended through a mix. Then there may be a single mic stood out a few feet in front of it, one 5 feet above or a M/S setup.

That is why you see me post a lot "Take into context the entire song mix before you place a single microphone" You can achieve a lot of spatial work without the use of plugins. If everything is taken into account before recording, you will decide to record certain ways for certain spatial results. I will intentionally place a M/S setup off center if I am going to place that way in a mix, or I will use 2 different microphones in a spaced pair to offset the stereo image as well and have an accompanying instrument recorded the same way flipped to balance the stereo field. Now I set them on up on mixer views and just by raising one fader, the image shifts to one side or the other, or I can widen a group simply by pulling the centers of their M/S setups down. All in the context of how things work with and against each other.

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Woodcrest Studio wrote:
Have a look at this:

http://woodcreststudio.com/samples/Routing.jpg

I just made it up. The group channels are supposed to be stereo.

Almost every mix is 100% automated. The only exception is demos. With demos, I focus more on achieving a stable dynamite sound. If there is time to automate, I will, but most of the time with quick demos are "Faders Up"

Automation passes are made in view sets. Depending on how I want to mix, I may make a pass of dry treatment blending of the vox for instance with a guitar group. Then come back and do a wet vox pass after. It all depends. The view sets I make are different every time. A lot has to do with the actual dynamics and flair of each instrument, how they play off each other and what frequency domain they fall in. It also depends on how I want to join and position instruments in the stereo field's width, height and depth. If 2 instruments are counterpointing each other, I will create a view set for that and dedicate a automation write pass dedicated for them.
Thanks again, Tom. I can see how you've routed things on that screenshot.
Still, I'd need to be there and see -and hear- it implemented before I'd grasp why such a complex routing setup is
preferable to a simpler one.
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