Some VST instruments are +20 cent out of tune in Halion 6 and Halion Sonic 3.
To name but a few: Bright Slap Bass - Cello Duo - Dynamic Chorus Rhodes - Expressive Flute - Fingered Music Man - Processed Trumpet - SR Thuddy Bass - Texas Boogie.
The same instruments are not out of tune in Halion Sonic SE?
I play guitar, so + or - 5 cent out of tune is Rock & Roll to me, but 20 ???
I know about the fine tune button but I never thought that I had to check every instrument I use.
There have been many reports of out of tune notes in the forums, very few which are the result of user error. (and if you read my posts you know I love to claim it is! )
I suggest posting to the Halion subforums. The VSTi devs read it, and I think they would be able to tune some of those samples.
Sorry for my Dutchy English and I am not much of a writer.
Thanks everyone on this forum. I read it every day, learned a lot and LOL to.
When I discovered that whole instruments (not just one note) are out of tune I tested and tried a lot to find out what it could be. But I am not a Proā¦ yetā¦
And yes there are more instruments. Itās a warning not a question. āThere is something wrongā.
And not fixed in 00.10. Just tested SR Thuddy Bass and Texas Boogie (H6 +20) (HS3 +20) (SE2 0)
It really worries me, I thought that I would heard it. But I squeezed some funny juice out of my mixes by correcting the tune of some instruments.
Iām one of the posters pointing out a poorly tuned note, years ago, I think it was a lower piano note :-0 . HSSE, prior to update of a few days ago (havenāt checked since the update)
I canāt imagine any update would fix this problem until the version history includes a reference to instruments actually being re-recorded.
It would be good to know if this is a bug in newer versions rather than something inherent to the recording or initial programming of the presets.
Mmarni seemed to be suggesting the identical patches were playing in tune in HSSE2.
Just tested SR Thuddy Bass and Texas Boogie (H6 +20) (HS3 +20) (SE2 0)
I donāt think multiple whole instruments being 20 cents sharp is the same as previously reported issues about individual notes or lower registers being out of tune to rest of instrument.
I up dated Halion 6 to 0.10 this week.
If I click on the Steinberg logo - about:
Halion 6 version 6.0.10.1038
Halion Sonic 3 version 3.010.1038
Halion Sonic SE 2 version 2.02.89
Funky Single Coil (H6 +11) (HS3 +11) (HSSE2 0)
Thick Pick (H6 +20) (HS3 +20) (HSSE2 +4) what I consider good (0)
Fingered Music Man (H6 + 25) (HS3 +25) (HSSE2 +4) again on average, good.
Cinematic Strings (H6 0) (HS3 0) (HSSE 0)
So yes my Halion Sonic SE 2 is as far as I know good, what makes it even more strange.
And I love the philosophy that music cannot be in tune, true. But lets get closer.
I donāt think they need to be re-recorded, you can get them back into tune within Halion yourself so Iām sure it can be done in the background in an update (once they check every sound!).
Additionally, as already suggested these include instruments that were in tune in the previous version of Halion Sonic SE (I just checked this for myself). Something within Halion 6 has de-tuned them!
I figure youāve already checked for this stuff but just in case:
I have a MIDI Controller here that has a pitch bend wheel. Presently my pitch-bend wheel is not properly calibrated (it is off center with the spring, so at rest itās not sending 0, but something a good 30 cents or more sharp)ā¦it also sends intermittent data at times. Like a āreal pianoā, I have to take this thing apart every year or so, clean it up, and re-calibrate (sometimes even replace) stuff.
Sometimes this controller starts acting up when I donāt have time to mess with it. So, I go into the preferences of my DAW (Cubase 9 in my case) and filter out pitch bends (or use a global transformer to filter them out), or use something like a Cubase transformer, Bomes, or Bidule to intercept the pitch-bend events and ācorrectā them in real time.
Before going back to work, I typically go into HALion and use my mouse to flick the pitch bend wheel in each instrument slot to insure it resets back to zero.
This thing drives me nuts with Dorico right nowā¦as Iāve not yet discovered how to filter pitch bend (It always accepts all MIDI input, so I canāt reroute the stream through Bome for filtering or a real-time correction). I just have to unplug it for now, as itās always knocking instruments BAD out of tune. Eventually Iāll get around to opening it up and re-position the wheel mounting and tune up the springā¦something Iāve had to do with many MIDI controllers over the years every year or so.
Some patches might be designed to alter the tuning a bit based on key-velocity, or keyboard mapping. I.E. Playing harder/faster might make it go sharp. I.E. Lower notes to the left of a given note might go flat while higher notes to the right go sharp. If you have such a patch in SE or Sonic, Iām afraid you are stuck with it. If you have full blown HALion, you can disable such velocity/pitch based tuning schemes with a few clicks.